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and good afternoon from philadelphia

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frank here with

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another episode of ufo news network

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sunday

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and today we've got a huge show uh

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somebody who i've been after since

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uh uh the very uh beginning uh three

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years ago when we started doing this

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show

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i wanted to have on here as a guest and

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uh finally uh

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finally broke him down finally got him

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to come on and

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and uh talk with us and uh well maybe uh

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maybe it was uh worth the wait because

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uh

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explorations

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uh got the response to a four year

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request that he filed three years ago

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we're going to get into all the details

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of that it's a it's kind of a long

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nuanced story and

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hopefully we get everything right so you

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have a clear understanding of what's

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been going on with all this

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and some of the attention and some of

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the backlash and this and that

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so i'm not going to waste any time i'm

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going to bring

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uh tony bergalia right on here tony

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thanks for doing this it's been a long

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time coming

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hey frank very very delighted to be here

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and it has been a long time in coming uh

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but it's a story that needs to be told

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and i'm glad that i'm

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here to tell it uh for you uh and uh

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so yeah i mean i probably we should just

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begin at the beginning uh

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you know this has been a crazy story in

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the past two weeks it's kind of

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gotten even worldwide attention but

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you know basically what happened frank

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was that uh way back in

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i want to say late 2017 uh the new york

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leslie keane and ralph blumenthal

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were two reporters that ran

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an investigative report on the existence

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of a pentagon program that

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dealt with ufo study and

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it was called the advanced aerospace

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threat identification program or

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aatip and the program ran for

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a number of years uh under a number of

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different names and it involved

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millions of dollars and um

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one of the things that came out of it

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was a few videos um

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what are they called a tic tac video yep

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and uh there are a couple others as well

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and couple others you know and uh but

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within this article was a

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buried mention of um anomalous

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material recovered from ufos which was

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stored

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in uh what times uh uh said uh quote

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uh were specially modified facilities

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uh by a private uh defense contractor

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that's um

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uh now defunct uh called the bigelow

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aerospace uh in nevada

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and uh so that uh that little kind of

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buried mention

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of ufo or or uap uh

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unidentified aerial phenomena material

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within the times article got me

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very interested because i've always been

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interested in the

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debris and the physical evidence of this

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phenomena

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for for years you know i mean the

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witness stuff is nice but uh you know

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when you're dealing with actual

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physical evidence that's really nice and

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so uh

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what i did is i initiated a freedom of

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information act uh request

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a foia uh with the pentagon

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and i asked for a quote

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physical debris recovered by personnel

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of the department of defense as residue

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flotsam or shot off material or

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crashed unidentified flying objects

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and couldn't be more clear and then

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three and a half years later

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i got back from the defense intelligence

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over 150 pages of technical reports

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on some pretty exotic metal

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and material that they have been

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of this kind of material and so that's

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you know what led me here and where i'm

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now um and uh yeah so uh you know the

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the information i got back from them uh

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a little bit overwhelming uh they

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basically were talking about material

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uh that i uh have talked about and

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frank's talked about for a long time

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uh which is uh this memory metal or

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which or shape recovery alloy which um

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a lot of witnesses at roswell said that

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this kind of material that when you you

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hold it and you

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crunch it up or deform it it returns

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and lo and behold i get back

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in part about 20 pages of information on

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nitinol

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which is a shape recovery alloy uh

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much like the very alloy that was

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i was pretty surprised at that one so

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uh this was not an accident that you

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happen to decide to file

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this particular foia request based on

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fragment of information in that december

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you've been on this a while going right

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the roswell case and what happened in

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the immediate aftermath of that

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and the uh work uh the the little

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network that was

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in existence between wright-patterson

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air force base and the patel memorial

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uh why don't you talk a little bit about

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that because you've got a tremendous

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background in this

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and uh like i said it's not an accident

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that uh you followed up on this

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particular lead so why don't you talk

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about how

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how you got into all that there's a

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precedent for it

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um i uh starting to examine

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the memory medal um at that time i had

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collected about

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uh maybe 40 42 witnesses

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that had reported this kind of material

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over the years

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and i just got to thinking that there's

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got to be something more to this

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and so what i did along with a

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reporter a friend of mine and a ufo

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enthusiast named billy cox

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here in florida we both filed a freedom

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of information act request

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uh and um that was for um

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progress reports that uh were being done

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technical papers some

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references to what are called phase

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diagrams or recipes to make alloys

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phase diagram that you would use to make

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backtracking of the technical literature

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and uh arrived at the back door of

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where i found out that in 1948 about 10

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months after the crash they had let out

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titanium to a level that had never been

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ultra high purity titanium is required

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metal and so the particular scientist

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that was working on purifying the

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was a scientist named elroy john center

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later much later he had confessed to his

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family and to some close friends that

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while at battelle lo and behold he had

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the analysis of what he felt was

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material that couldn't have been from

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which we've heard before as an excuse

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so you know that was kind of that story

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you know all these years later uh i get

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uh a foia response which includes

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other indications of something called a

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meta material in this

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new foia um that basically uh

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is a material that can be used in a lot

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um it's a meta material is a coined

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word it's a relatively recent word uh

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and it's believed to mean any material

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have a property that isn't found in

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uh apparently have properties that could

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slow down the speed of light or

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ability to uh compress electromagnetic

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uh so that you can condense uh

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information and energy storage and make

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lot of interesting stuff and then the

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what are called amorphous metals or

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liquid metal and it kind of runs like

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water and i'm reminded of one of the

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her name was uh frankie rowe and

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she told kevin that when she held the

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material

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from roswell in her hand that it felt

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like it was liquid metal like it ran

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interesting a little confirmation

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of material that had been seen before

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and that was being reported on in these

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so yeah and as far as when you're

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acquiring this information

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from some of the witnesses and now you

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said you've got 42 of them

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uh yeah it's not too likely that these

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folks are

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reading advanced scientific papers and

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describing these uh

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these properties uh based on you know

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absolutely that's the whole thing that

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struck me and that's really what led me

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to all this is that

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some of them were elderly and how in the

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world would they even have

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any concept of shape memory alloy or

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shape recovery or memory metal

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just the idea of it i mean you could

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walk down the street and ask 50 people

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about it today and i think very few

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people would even know about it

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they might know about bendable

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eyeglasses but they wouldn't know much

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more than that i mean

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so yeah i mean that was the remarkable

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thing when you kind of step back from it

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all

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and just look at it like you've just

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said

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and the people that have been involved

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over the years reporting this material

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time and again and you know they don't

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even know each other

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i mean these are people that have talked

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to independently to different people

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over

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the decades and uh yet you hear the same

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theme over and over again

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so yeah that was pretty pretty wild so

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uh the story came out and it generated a

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lot of attention

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but it also generated uh not

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surprisingly some criticism

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and uh let's uh let's get into that a

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little bit uh

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it was criticized to the point where uh

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some individuals uh

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in particular john greenwald at the

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black vault decided to actually do some

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following

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up and i'm going to read a line from

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uh his comment on this uh because you

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know uh frankly uh

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john's in over his head on this subject

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this is a there's a little bit too much

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stuff for him

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uh uh to be uh to be blunt about it and

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but uh here's a quote from an article

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that he wrote about this regardless of

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any truth to his new claims and evidence

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nothing he has put forward disproves the

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pentagon or

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doctor put off stance that this material

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and i think in this context he's talking

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about

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the material you received as a result of

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the foia not any particular metal or

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anything along those lines

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is not rel and even if i'm wrong it is

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still this is uh what he's writing here

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is not accurate at all

343
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that this material is not related to

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ufos or uaps

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and he was able to get a a quick

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response from

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sue guff from the pentagon she's a

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pentagon spokesperson and

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you've had some dealings with her i'll

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read it really quick

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those appear to be copies of a

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legitimate four-year request and the

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response provided to the requester

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well they were i mean there were a

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legitimate foia request we know that

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uh the uh a couple of them had been

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released already

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and also there the full list of these uh

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defense intelligence reference documents

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had been out before

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and obviously the titles matched up so

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we're able to uh figure out

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you know who the authors were even

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though the names of the authors were

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actually redacted in the copies that you

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got it gets a little bit complicated but

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some of the

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the ones that were at were essentially

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leaked you know they were essentially

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made public

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uh through somebody who happened to have

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possession of them and were not formally

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formally released by the pentagon so

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that that

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that's kind of an important thing to

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note there and then she goes on to say

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uh the testing referred uh to in the

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documents released by the defense

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intelligence agency under the

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foia uh was of known materials conducted

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for study

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purposes pursuant to the advanced

383
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aerospace threat identification

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program's mission

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of establishing a center of expertise

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for

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advanced aerospace technologies this is

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a

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the whole truth

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because i agree with that uh because uh

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we know that the

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the atip was a ufo program now there's

393
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no question about it and i'll

394
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i'll back that up as we go forward but

395
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uh when you're seeing some of these

396
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responses coming out what was your

397
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response to the response

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yeah there are so many of them my first

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uh

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thing that i would say is that i have

401
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attempted to reach susan

402
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gogue repeatedly and she has refused to

403
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uh contact me or to return my uh

404
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phone calls or emails which i think is

405
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kind of appalling

406
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she's seen fit to talk to other people

407
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and release these kinds of cryptic

408
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comments but the

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very individual that filed the foia she

410
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has seen fit to not communicate with

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i'd also add that in terms of john

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greenwald

413
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he also never saw fit to contact me

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before he

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released his video analysis of

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this material this information and

417
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of course that is also unconscionable

418
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it's very easy to get a hold of me

419
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people that know me know that

420
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people that don't know me can get a hold

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of me through my website

422
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and that he did not try to call me or

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contact me in any way before

424
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uh releasing his critique uh is

425
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surprising um i guess uh

426
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anyone that does this kind of

427
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journalistic work

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and john isn't a journalist so you know

429
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i can appreciate that but uh

430
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you always try and get the other side

431
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and try and uh develop a dialogue

432
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it's real important to do that so i'd

433
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characterize john as very uh

434
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unprofessional

435
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in that way um kind of surprising

436
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in that he's so detail-oriented but he

437
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never saw fit to even contact me

438
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uh so there you go i'll uh

439
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point out though one of the other uh

440
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nails that uh the nails in the the

441
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coffin are

442
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basically uh destroying this story uh

443
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there was also an interview between

444
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george knapp and bob bigelow

445
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uh recently that nap published over at

446
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mysterywire

447
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i'm going to be a little critical of nap

448
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here in terms of his interviewing style

449
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at times

450
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this is basically a question for bigelow

451
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new york times

452
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reported that you modified your facility

453
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here

454
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in order to house some material from

455
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somewhere else

456
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that's a pretty vaguely worded with

457
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somewhere else what does that mean you

458
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know

459
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did you ever have it and bigelow

460
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responds we never had

461
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any which you know he doesn't actually

462
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address well did they modify

463
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the facility did they test something and

464
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did it come back

465
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you know ordinary or mundane uh

466
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certainly there's no question he did

467
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that when he ran nids

468
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they absolutely acquired material and

469
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had it tested

470
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and yeah he's being coy uh frank and i

471
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think that he talks out of two sides of

472
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his mouth uh there's no question about

473
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it

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uh i tried to reach out to mr bigelow

475
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obviously

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before i published and was unable to do

477
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so i was able to

478
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talk to his former general counsel

479
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who was very lawyerly and didn't reveal

480
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or if he even knows that you know he

481
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might he's he's probably pretty well

482
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compartmentalized himself you know

483
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himself you know but i wanted to dive

484
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into some of these criticisms that john

485
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uh and others have levied uh on this um

486
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um disclosure yeah uh before you do it

487
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there's one

488
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i've got that he also

489
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uh contacted hal put off uh poros

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response is

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that the five-sided dirts that we

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commissioned to address the

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advanced material topics potentially

494
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significant for advanced aerospace

495
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application

496
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uh not evaluation of uap debris in hand

497
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and again that's probably a partial

498
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truth uh

499
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uh you know really it is i mean

500
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how put off the ufo guy you know he's

501
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:59,679
went through the stars academy as well

502
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he's still with them you know he's one

503
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of the holdovers that didn't jump ship

504
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in december

505
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and you know uh okay he's saying that

506
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they didn't have any ua p debris at hand

507
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that's fine

508
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but uh you know obviously uh putting

509
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together these uh

510
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different dirts and commissioning these

511
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different thirds uh this uh absolutely

512
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uh was informed

513
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by their knowledge of uh what makes ufos

514
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tick and

515
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i mean put off and uh he's worked with

516
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uh jacques villa and jacqueline was

517
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involved in this program

518
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uh jacques villa's got a full book

519
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:32,960
coming out in the you know

520
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:36,159
a couple months about uh the the ufa uh

521
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the ufo uh debris research that he's

522
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done so

523
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you know what are these guys talking

524
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about here and one other thing i

525
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i put a little uh actually put some

526
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effort into some of these

527
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:49,120
uh these uh visuals that i've got there

528
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,799
you can't see them but uh the folks

529
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who are watching the video well uh this

530
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goes back to

531
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uh greenwald pointing out that there was

532
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a little bit of conflict between harry

533
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reid and the new york times

534
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,600
uh regarding uh a quote that he was

535
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:04,720
attributed to him

536
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:08,080
uh regarding uh ufo debris and

537
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uh they uh they did uh do a retraction

538
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based on what they used but uh it's

539
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,559
important to note and uh

540
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:17,120
the greenwald did not do that that the

541
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,559
authors of the article

542
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:21,120
blumenthal and keane both stood by the

543
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quote even though the times were

544
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:27,990
that happened as well but you know all

545
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,280
of these folks might be correct in that

546
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,360
they've blended or laundered the

547
00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:35,520
research on extraterrestrial material

548
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,720
into applications for military use

549
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,799
and they're studying ufo debris under

550
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,799
the cover of materials research for

551
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defense applications

552
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,559
and they've kind of integrated them to

553
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,799
obscure the truth that these materials

554
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,480
represent our best efforts to

555
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,640
replicate them to the military's

556
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,080
advantage

557
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:56,240
and you know they've gotten all kind of

558
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,200
various program

559
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,360
names over the years the advanced

560
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:01,600
aerospace threat identification program

561
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,720
the advanced

562
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,960
aerospace weapons systems applications

563
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:05,919
program

564
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:08,080
uh the unidentified aerial phenomena

565
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,200
task force

566
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,039
and these are all kind of confusing the

567
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:13,039
missions of these programs at various

568
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:14,720
points in time

569
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,840
these prove programs can involve ufo

570
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:19,039
study

571
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,720
weapons research airborne enemy threats

572
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,799
so frank it allows the pentagon to

573
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answer an inquiry

574
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,440
in any way they want to um that's kind

575
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,280
of what's going on

576
00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:33,360
and you know i would say immediately to

577
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:34,720
everybody uh

578
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,520
who uh is looking at my material really

579
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,720
look at it

580
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:41,039
because if you were to read the foia

581
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:41,840
request

582
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:44,880
and the reply uh there was

583
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:47,520
uh only mention and i've said this

584
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:49,120
dozens of times

585
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,480
only mention of ufos uaps bigelow

586
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:53,760
aerospace

587
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,200
debris and testing there's never

588
00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:00,400
anything ever mentioned whatsoever in

589
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:01,600
either

590
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,799
the request or the reply about aero

591
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:05,679
materials

592
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:10,000
or defense metals or weapons programs

593
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:13,360
nothing whatsoever to do about that when

594
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:14,960
i've shown this to people that aren't

595
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:16,960
into ufology

596
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,760
and they read my request and they read

597
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:20,799
the reply

598
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:24,159
and the accompanying reports

599
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:27,840
everybody without question says

600
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:30,720
that you would have to be the most inept

601
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:31,120
and

602
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:34,159
careless clerk

603
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:37,600
or foia professional to read these

604
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,480
requests

605
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:41,120
and think anything else other than what

606
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:42,480
i'm referring to

607
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,870
either the pentagon people that fulfill

608
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:50,320
these requests lack

609
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:53,679
basic reading and comprehension skills

610
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:57,200
or they don't have the ability to review

611
00:24:01,269 --> 00:24:00,080
uh for compliance and for for

612
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:01,279
fulfillment

613
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,799
of these requests i mean uh anyone that

614
00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:05,919
reads these

615
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,279
that has basic reading skills would

616
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,600
understand that you know we're referring

617
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,520
to ufo material debris

618
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:16,080
yeah we are not referring to nose cones

619
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:17,039
or

620
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:20,080
uh the whole of an aircraft

621
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:22,240
uh the skin of an aircraft nothing like

622
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,279
that whatsoever

623
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,679
now like you point out they may at this

624
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,679
point be one in the same thing

625
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,760
they folded this research in so much

626
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,360
that it's hard to tell now

627
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,039
right right there's another thing that's

628
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,120
going on that

629
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,559
oh by the way i do want to say that when

630
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,400
people say that the reports have nothing

631
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,320
to do with ufos

632
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:43,279
that when you look at them uh well no

633
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,880
they don't mention ufos but the

634
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:47,279
materials that we're developing

635
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,799
are based on our previous study of ufo

636
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:51,919
debris

637
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:55,279
and there is mention of ufo material

638
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:58,799
applications within the documents

639
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:00,640
and this is where the problem is and i

640
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:07,029
people in ufology are a little bit naive

641
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,039
about

642
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,039
material science and engineering there's

643
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:13,200
something called basic research

644
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,640
and applied research and basic research

645
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,559
is the area of science that conducts

646
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:20,000
discovery

647
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:23,600
uh they do first time ever attempts

648
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,200
at analysis to find out how things work

649
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,000
but then there's applied research and

650
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,840
that's the area of science that takes

651
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,279
the information that's learned from

652
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:34,960
basic science

653
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:37,919
and looks for potential applications and

654
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:40,400
ways to feasibly use that information to

655
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,159
our benefit

656
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,880
so what i received weren't uh basic

657
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,799
science reports

658
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,360
these were applications engineering

659
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,799
reports

660
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,799
they didn't tell me how these things

661
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,400
were made

662
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,039
only how we may one day be able to use

663
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:58,720
them

664
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,760
and so when you look at this it is

665
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:04,320
about ufos material that can promote

666
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:05,520
invisibility

667
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:08,480
well that's why ufos can pop in and out

668
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:09,919
of you view

669
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,720
at their will visually and on radar

670
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,720
and material that manipulates the speed

671
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:17,840
of light well

672
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:21,279
light speed and ufo interstellar travel

673
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,320
are completely interlinked and then we

674
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,200
talk about material that can morph

675
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:30,320
well that kind of material would allow a

676
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:31,600
ufo craft

677
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:33,520
to adapt to the environment in which

678
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,880
it's traversing

679
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:37,679
it could self heal you can actually

680
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,000
prevent

681
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,760
a sonic boom by using morphing material

682
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,080
uh with shape-shifting material you can

683
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,440
make things bigger inside than outside

684
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:50,080
and again the fact that this kind of

685
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,960
metal was found

686
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,520
fallen at roswell and it's part of a

687
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:56,000
response to a foia request on ufo debris

688
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:57,039
tests

689
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,120
decades later is pretty wild

690
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:03,679
and then they talk about material that

691
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,400
can compress

692
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:07,200
electromagnetic energy well energy

693
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:07,919
storage

694
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:10,640
is a big technical challenge it's one of

695
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:11,200
the greatest

696
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:14,640
issues for all airborne craft so you

697
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,840
look at these

698
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,200
things that they talk about in the

699
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:19,360
reports and no they're not

700
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,559
basic research telling you what stuff is

701
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,240
but what they are are things that are

702
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,080
telling you how to use these things in

703
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,840
the future

704
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,080
and that's where the problem is this is

705
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,520
where the problem is

706
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:33,120
i really think people at greenwald

707
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:35,039
believe that they're going to mention

708
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:38,000
you know the rancher mack brazell uh who

709
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,480
found

710
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,640
the craft at roswell i mean it's just

711
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:42,240
not that way these are

712
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,279
science and engineering reports and

713
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:47,520
when you look at the the full list of

714
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,399
these uh

715
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:51,039
defense intelligence reference documents

716
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:51,840
you also

717
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:54,320
see uh papers like a traversable

718
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,039
wormhole

719
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:57,279
stargates and negative energies you know

720
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:58,159
i mean come on

721
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,840
uh high frequency gravitational wave

722
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:02,960
communications uh and this is actually

723
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,000
an important

724
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,080
thing that i want to mention is that

725
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,679
these papers are older now i mean these

726
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:09,600
papers are 12 years old now

727
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,559
so it's no longer the cut again people

728
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,520
are saying to me and this is the other

729
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:18,000
comment that people have said is that uh

730
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:18,960
these reports

731
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,679
uh that were sent were um many of them

732
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,200
were already made public

733
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:25,360
you know it's been pointed out that um

734
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:27,200
that prior to the foia release

735
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:30,640
that on a few obscure uh science and

736
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,520
and paranormal sites uh that they've

737
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,640
been out there

738
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,720
but the fact remains that these same

739
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:37,919
reports were sent

740
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,399
in direct response to a four-year

741
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,120
request on ufo debris study

742
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,919
uh and it solidly connects the two in my

743
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,120
mind

744
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,919
um and some of the technical material uh

745
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,320
is out there it should be out there

746
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,559
uh because i do believe that you know 70

747
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:56,799
years on after the roswell crash

748
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,000
you know there has been a uh and not i'm

749
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:01,679
not talking about a phil corso like but

750
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,919
a technology transfer of lessons that

751
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,200
have been learned

752
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,320
from et material study uh it's already

753
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,039
occurred and it's continuing there is a

754
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,799
controlled release of technical

755
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:14,159
information

756
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:17,760
it spurs innovation uh it ultimately

757
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:20,799
seeps benefit into the private sector

758
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:23,679
but um you know these documents weren't

759
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,080
even

760
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:25,919
classified these were just official use

761
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,200
only and they were circulated among um

762
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,880
you know theoretical physicists in

763
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:33,120
academia that were contracted to

764
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,399
government

765
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,640
and you know i'm not getting well people

766
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,840
have a problem with that

767
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:40,000
because once they're deemed suitable for

768
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,760
general release

769
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,880
of course they're going to trickle out

770
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,399
to a larger audience i mean that's the

771
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,679
whole idea

772
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,919
and to be honest with you these guys who

773
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:48,960
are doing this

774
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:52,799
even hal put off wasn't even born

775
00:30:00,630 --> 00:29:56,240
when when the crash happened i mean um

776
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:00,640
these uh folks uh have no idea what the

777
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,440
uh extraterrestrial impetus or origin of

778
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,640
their work is

779
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,559
i mean much of their work represents the

780
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,120
continuation of work that was begun

781
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,679
decades before they were even born uh of

782
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,039
course of course that's how far

783
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,679
down we are yeah yep uh you know you

784
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,679
have uh the the founding of a commercial

785
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,320
titanium industry a year and a half

786
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:23,200
after roswell yeah she pointed it out

787
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:23,760
yeah

788
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:27,919
more

789
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,360
at this period between uh that date and

790
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:33,600
the development of nitinol and it's

791
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,159
really quite astonishing

792
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,320
i'm not gonna uh we uh spend a lot of

793
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,000
time here i did spend a lot of time

794
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,320
about that on the last show and uh

795
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:44,480
there's more on the way so i've got more

796
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:45,279
on that

797
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,190
that's um thing people say oh well

798
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,000
wasn't there uh memory metal before 47

799
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:56,640
well there was pseudoelasticity uh

800
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,360
meaning you know

801
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:00,000
metals are bendable but there was never

802
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:01,360
anything

803
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,320
even close to not available

804
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,399
always way ahead of the curve and is

805
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:21,919
working on something but

806
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,600
you know they can't figure out a

807
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:25,440
practical uh profitable

808
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:28,720
uh application for it yes and then you

809
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:30,480
get this tipping point and then all of a

810
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,039
sudden

811
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,960
uh some people uh with the money and

812
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:34,960
that's basically we're talking about the

813
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,399
uh the military here uh all of a sudden

814
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,320
they want it and then all of a sudden

815
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,559
it becomes profitable it was the uh the

816
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,919
u.s air force

817
00:31:48,790 --> 00:31:46,480
the military the pentagon that got the

818
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,800
titanium industry started

819
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,880
[Music]

820
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,440
yeah and so these things as you point

821
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,200
out have happened decades ago

822
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:57,360
and over the years people that are

823
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:58,480
working on these

824
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:01,679
kinds of projects have no idea

825
00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:04,559
uh that you know the impetus for their

826
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,440
work was from

827
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,919
many many years ago i mean it and they

828
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:09,840
shouldn't know about this stuff

829
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:13,039
um you know in terms of the way it

830
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,080
really is in

831
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:16,159
the world of science and engineering

832
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,519
you're really not given

833
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,679
all kinds of back stories uh one of the

834
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,360
reasons i know that bob lazar

835
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:24,559
is a phony among other reasons

836
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,679
is because he talks about being tasked

837
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,679
to do certain technical things but then

838
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,880
he's also

839
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,640
talking about being given information

840
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,080
about

841
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,080
things that have don't relate to science

842
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:38,240
or engineering

843
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:41,600
things like beings from distant stars

844
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:42,000
and

845
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,519
uh maybe jesus was an ancient astronaut

846
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:46,960
and this kind of thing

847
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:50,000
uh you know and and he's being told all

848
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:51,679
of these things

849
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,279
by scientists supposedly at area 51 well

850
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:57,360
that's not the way science works and

851
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,880
that's not the way engineering works in

852
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,240
the real world

853
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,200
uh you're given a very small project to

854
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:05,200
work on your boss might even

855
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,880
not know what you're working on it's

856
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,640
that compartmentalized

857
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:11,039
you're given a top secret clearance a

858
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:12,080
full scope

859
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:15,440
polygraph and a special access program

860
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,159
where you're

861
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,799
to work only on one particular thing

862
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,240
they're not going to fill you in on the

863
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,240
back story of

864
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:25,120
ancient aliens when you're working on uh

865
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,720
perhaps you know a debris or something

866
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,799
or or if you are told something like you

867
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,640
mentioned with the elroy center

868
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,880
that it's russian well i i can tell you

869
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:33,840
that

870
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,320
were trailing on the development of

871
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:40,880
advanced alloys through that period

872
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,760
they sure were in fact this whole idea

873
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:45,440
that annie jacobson had

874
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,120
years ago of the roswell crash being

875
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:51,360
resultant from a russian

876
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,039
vehicle or drone you'll remember that

877
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,159
just ridiculous on the face of it they

878
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:00,399
weren't anywhere near that

879
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,880
able to do that kind of thing but that's

880
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:04,240
a whole nother story isn't it

881
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,159
so uh but yeah so you know uh when i

882
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:09,919
hear about hal put off and others

883
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:13,599
talking about uh uh this uh released

884
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:16,639
material um i mean i can truthfully say

885
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,520
that yes there

886
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:20,399
are aeronautical applications and they

887
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,800
are

888
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,720
working on these materials for that

889
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:24,000
reason

890
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,440
but that doesn't negate uh the ufo

891
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,560
angle and um one of the things i

892
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,520
mentioned before

893
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,440
uh frank is that they like to change up

894
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:35,760
the names of these programs

895
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,720
and one of the um names on the programs

896
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:39,839
that kept on

897
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,839
uh coming up was um the other program

898
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:46,399
name i'm forgetting here though

899
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,240
yes and one of the uh people that was

900
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:51,919
involved in that

901
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,879
was the predecessor to luis elizondo oh

902
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,960
that's uh james lakatsky

903
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,400
there you go and that's the name i was

904
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,160
looking for thanks frank

905
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,800
in the dia response it says this product

906
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,240
is one of a series of advanced

907
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:06,240
technology reports

908
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,000
produced under the defense intelligence

909
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:10,560
agency advanced aerospace weapons

910
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,359
systems applications program and then

911
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:15,359
and we know who's blocked out whose name

912
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,720
is blocked out in that

913
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,040
block there right and that is uh

914
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:21,599
lukaszki's

915
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:24,640
and he was involved in ufo study

916
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,160
as was elizondo he was his predecessor

917
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,320
so i believe that's why they removed his

918
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,320
name from what i received

919
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,320
because i've received i've seen other

920
00:35:40,950 --> 00:35:36,720
documents that include his name

921
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,960
in this very same dia

922
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,599
response block which has this product is

923
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:45,200
one of a series of advanced technology

924
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,839
reports

925
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:48,079
his name is included in other of those

926
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,400
it's removed in the one i received

927
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:52,240
as were the authors of the papers too

928
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,760
but it was easy enough to put two and

929
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:55,280
two together you know and figured out

930
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,000
exactly who

931
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,320
the right if you simply put his name in

932
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,760
and insert his name

933
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,680
it's clear that these reports relate to

934
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,040
ufo material

935
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:05,440
yep absolutely and this is one of the

936
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:07,680
things that john greenwald didn't point

937
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,480
out

938
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:10,800
um i'm surprised that he didn't because

939
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:12,160
he knows that

940
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,240
or must know that and

941
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,000
just as an aside and again i don't want

942
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,160
to be in a personal attack

943
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,119
but people like john greenwald are very

944
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:24,800
accepting

945
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:28,480
receive and they've and he's developed a

946
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,040
very

947
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,400
uh cozy relationship uh with government

948
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,240
agencies that feed him

949
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,720
and his repository and he doesn't want

950
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:38,880
to upset the apple cart

951
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:41,760
uh in fact in one communication with me

952
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,240
what

953
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,000
few he's had with me he said that he

954
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:45,920
finds the way that i deal with

955
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,720
the foia folks to be abrasive and i

956
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,000
started laughing

957
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,920
i mean if you don't push them a little

958
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:53,599
bit frank they won't do anything

959
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:56,079
i i've heard stories about robert todd

960
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,599
i'm not sure how familiar you are with

961
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,880
his background and uh

962
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:01,040
you know you're you're a charmer

963
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:02,000
compared to him

964
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,280
from what i understand a charmer

965
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,000
so you know when i hear john greenwald

966
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:09,760
saying that uh i should treat them with

967
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,839
more respect and that i'm a bit brash

968
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,880
with them

969
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:15,119
uh it tells me that he's too trusting of

970
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,240
them and

971
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:18,960
that he uh doesn't want to upset his

972
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:21,520
cozy relationship with them

973
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,800
uh that much is very clear

974
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,960
now uh we've talked a little bit

975
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:28,960
privately before the show

976
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,240
about uh what's next uh what you know

977
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,440
my feeling is if these uh foias are

978
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,000
excuse me

979
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:39,040
these durds are out there and none of

980
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:40,320
them are classified

981
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,839
uh let's get them all out there let's

982
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:43,599
find a way to get them all released uh

983
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,640
some others that

984
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,200
aren't in this uh release uh have been

985
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:48,880
out before but not all of them

986
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,400
uh very interesting stuff and uh

987
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,720
i think it would uh likely uh pretty

988
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,800
well prove and lock down that there's no

989
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:59,520
question that atip was a ufo program

990
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:02,000
again i had the the graphic up earlier

991
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,800
uh uh

992
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,400
let's see an introduction to the

993
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,640
statistical drake equation

994
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:09,200
what the what's the military application

995
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,839
on that

996
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:11,839
you know warp drive dark energy and the

997
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,880
manipulation

998
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,200
of extra dimensions i mean clearly

999
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:17,359
they're uh they're trying to figure out

1000
00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,320
uh

1001
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:21,119
yeah obviously yeah some military

1002
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:22,720
applications if it's a

1003
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,000
if they can be developed

1004
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:28,160
but at the same time they're they're

1005
00:38:32,950 --> 00:38:30,320
clearly talking about ufos and how

1006
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,960
uh some sort of uh uh advanced dt can

1007
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:34,320
get here and from where they're coming

1008
00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,359
from

1009
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:38,000
no doubt about it you know even without

1010
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:39,520
reading the papers and i would love to

1011
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,880
read some of these papers

1012
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,560
even without reading these papers you

1013
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:44,240
know it's pretty obvious just from the

1014
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,200
titles where

1015
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,520
the direction they're going in one of

1016
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:49,040
the things i found kind of interesting

1017
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:49,839
was that

1018
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,760
uh some of the material though that i

1019
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:53,680
received didn't relate to weaponry at

1020
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:54,560
all

1021
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:57,280
it related to health benefit and medical

1022
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,880
benefit

1023
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:01,119
so when she uh susan goge at the

1024
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:02,720
pentagon says that these are

1025
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,960
strictly related to advanced weaponry

1026
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:06,480
programs

1027
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,760
uh at least 20 pages related to the use

1028
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:11,200
of memory metal

1029
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,280
in the human body

1030
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:17,599
and that that has been something that uh

1031
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,400
we've gotten

1032
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,640
uh anecdotally from ufo witnesses and

1033
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:22,000
whatnot people have said that they've

1034
00:39:25,750 --> 00:39:23,520
actually been on these ships

1035
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:25,760
and they can sort of like literally plug

1036
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,800
in and

1037
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:29,680
uh you know that yeah i've no doubt that

1038
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,160
uh

1039
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,320
guys like hal put off are aware of that

1040
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:33,680
and that was part of what they were

1041
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,920
looking for

1042
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,680
well the uh the whole thing about

1043
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,359
morphing metal

1044
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,119
is a very deep subject i don't want to

1045
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:43,599
get too far out into the weeds

1046
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,640
but um there's a

1047
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:48,880
a lot of applications aeronautically

1048
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:51,760
that memory metal could help us with

1049
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,520
for instance is a self-healing metal

1050
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,680
if uh it would be able to resist

1051
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,800
physical uh

1052
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:01,599
impact and physical intrusion on the

1053
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:02,480
metal by

1054
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:06,079
healing itself back up also

1055
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:09,440
uh wings that can

1056
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,480
fold up on themselves um

1057
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:15,040
actuators uh that are used in aerospace

1058
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:16,960
systems i mean there's dozens of ways

1059
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,079
that memory metal

1060
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,200
can be used in space uh and so you know

1061
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,119
again as they blend these

1062
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,160
et inspired technologies into

1063
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,440
uh advanced uh aerospace metallurgy

1064
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:32,079
and material science it becomes more and

1065
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,599
more difficult to understand

1066
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:35,440
what became first you know the chicken

1067
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,640
or the egg

1068
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,400
you know and that that's kind of what's

1069
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:39,920
going on here

1070
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:43,440
and uh i'm confident though that once we

1071
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:46,720
sort through all of this uh conclu this

1072
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:49,680
confusion that uh you know what we've

1073
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:50,640
been given really

1074
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,240
is some extraordinary reports

1075
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:56,240
and i think that they are based on our

1076
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,880
studies of extraterrestrial hardware

1077
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,359
um you know it's just not a doubt in my

1078
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:02,880
mind about it

1079
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:05,440
the other curious thing to me is why

1080
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,079
isn't

1081
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,359
the pentagon getting back to me

1082
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:11,599
why is it the student or this susan

1083
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:12,880
gogue

1084
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:16,480
doesn't you know talk to me

1085
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,079
do you have any ideas why she might not

1086
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,119
be i'm not sure except that

1087
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,680
they did not like all the attention that

1088
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:25,680
uh your article got

1089
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,520
yeah that's sure and that uh it

1090
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,760
makes them have to uh makes them have to

1091
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,440
work makes them have to do the weekend

1092
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,880
just makes them happy

1093
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:36,960
knows her do we know if john greenwald

1094
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:37,920
of the black vault

1095
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,510
that i don't know that i don't know i do

1096
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:45,040
believe he's dealt with her

1097
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:46,720
he may very well have talked to her i'm

1098
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,079
not 100 sure

1099
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:50,319
about that i don't know but you know the

1100
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,359
the good thing is

1101
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:54,000
that uh his debunking is fairly easily

1102
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,880
debunked

1103
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,880
once you look past the surface so that

1104
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,480
that that's all i've got to say about

1105
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,880
that those three nails are nothing

1106
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,599
basically you know well when he began uh

1107
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:05,920
one of his videos by talking about

1108
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,040
uh a graphic that i used

1109
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:11,839
uh and uh that yeah that could be

1110
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,800
offensive

1111
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,720
yeah he seems to have an issue with

1112
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,000
illustrations jesus

1113
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,319
mentioned that there's another story

1114
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,760
that's floating around that he's got an

1115
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,800
issue with uh

1116
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,520
uh regarding just an illustration i mean

1117
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:25,200
it's like come on you know

1118
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,920
well maybe i will in future articles put

1119
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:29,680
for illustrative purposes

1120
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:32,240
when i put a picture of a flying saucer

1121
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,200
up i mean

1122
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,880
for heaven's sake if people don't know

1123
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,640
that that's uh just to represent

1124
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:38,240
something and this isn't the actual

1125
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:38,720
thing

1126
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,000
itself uh and there was those kind of

1127
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,319
little picayune things i realized this

1128
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:46,880
is a fellow that is very territorial

1129
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,760
uh he is the guy that does foia uh i

1130
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:51,599
frankly didn't know him well or really

1131
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,560
at all

1132
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:55,200
and i knew of him and of his work uh

1133
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:56,160
prior

1134
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:59,440
uh and actually would was hoping to work

1135
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,319
with him

1136
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,040
cooperatively but uh he instead viewed

1137
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:04,800
me as some sort of a

1138
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,839
threat in some strange way and frank you

1139
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:08,720
know that i

1140
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,079
share uh leads and information

1141
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,400
uh with people freely as you've done

1142
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,480
with me over the years many many times

1143
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,560
and i'm very appreciative of that

1144
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,240
and i think and you know that and i

1145
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:22,720
think a lot of the folks in this

1146
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:26,240
field if you can call it that are just

1147
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,000
working against one another and

1148
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:32,000
it's a field that is wrought with

1149
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:33,920
personality and politics

1150
00:43:38,950 --> 00:43:37,839
and all kind of issues and i've seen it

1151
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,960
firsthand with

1152
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,520
this mr greenwald uh someone i was

1153
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:43,359
hoping would be able to offer insight

1154
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:43,839
and

1155
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:46,319
work with me instead of at a

1156
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,440
cross-purpose

1157
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,920
i'm i'm kind of surprised well so you

1158
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:51,280
know sometimes

1159
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:54,560
sometimes uh controversy cells too and

1160
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,319
it is drawing uh some attention to your

1161
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:57,680
stuff you know

1162
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:01,280
a little bit and again and

1163
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:04,720
again his uh his response kind of uh

1164
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,599
betrays

1165
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,520
uh quite frankly how little he knows

1166
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,440
about the actual subject so

1167
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:11,040
you know so you got that going for you

1168
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,560
too one of the things that he needs to

1169
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,920
understand is that

1170
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,760
this is as much a science and

1171
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:17,520
engineering issue

1172
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,440
as it is a freedom of information act

1173
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:20,960
issue and

1174
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,560
um that we need to kind of work uh

1175
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:25,200
multi-disciplinary

1176
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:28,160
in a multi-pronged approach on this uh

1177
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:29,760
and that the answers may not be

1178
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,880
just from susan gogue and the pentagon

1179
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,319
and in fact the answers probably won't

1180
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,400
be coming from them uh

1181
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,280
and so we have to work around that and

1182
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:42,240
use that information as best as we can

1183
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:44,160
and i kind of wanted to wind this up by

1184
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:45,839
telling you where i'm going in

1185
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,640
the direction on all this yeah yeah okay

1186
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,000
i found as you know

1187
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,160
some of the names of these scientists

1188
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:54,800
that wrote some of these articles

1189
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,160
and they are approachable and my next uh

1190
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,760
article or perhaps the one after that

1191
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:01,760
we'll we'll talk about

1192
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:04,160
that uh but just to give you a little

1193
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:05,520
bit of a heads up

1194
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,480
i have reached one fellow that was

1195
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:11,040
particularly informative

1196
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,640
who is in academia and is a theoretical

1197
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:16,079
physicist

1198
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,839
who has been contracted to government

1199
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:19,520
over the years

1200
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,720
and he explains that when he's retained

1201
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:24,480
to do work like this they don't ask

1202
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,240
questions

1203
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,200
they don't need to know back story they

1204
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:31,200
don't need to know the ultimate aim

1205
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:34,640
oftentimes of their work it's

1206
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,160
given to them and guided to them

1207
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,599
by people in government and they're

1208
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:43,599
provided what they need to know

1209
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,960
to do their work and nothing more

1210
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,480
i'm going to expand on that a little bit

1211
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,960
more in the future but it's going to

1212
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,960
become clear

1213
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,720
why it is that some of the folks that

1214
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:56,400
work on this material

1215
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,839
truly don't know why they're working on

1216
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,880
it and

1217
00:46:05,230 --> 00:46:03,200
it's kind of remarkable how in the real

1218
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,240
world

1219
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,000
compartmentalization works in a science

1220
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:10,240
and engineering

1221
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:13,440
company in the real world how it looks

1222
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:16,960
inside lockheed or boeing and how these

1223
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,359
guys

1224
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:19,520
actually work on these kinds of projects

1225
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,400
and i think it's going to be very

1226
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:21,680
surprising

1227
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,200
to people in the ufo community that

1228
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:27,280
are a bit naive about these kind of

1229
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,720
things

1230
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,240
i think it's going to be very helpful to

1231
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:32,560
understand what's been going on

1232
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:35,839
uh with all of this uh recently

1233
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:39,119
uh so more to come good good good we're

1234
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:40,560
looking forward to it now

1235
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,160
you seem to be since you started the

1236
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,240
website uh uh roughly uh

1237
00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:47,200
uh uh a good 2 000 plus word article

1238
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:48,079
every couple

1239
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,200
months that seems to be about uh yeah so

1240
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,040
uh i guess uh we'll look out for this

1241
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,680
what uh sometime uh the last article

1242
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:58,240
obviously was last month now so uh maybe

1243
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:59,680
something in april

1244
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:02,400
i think so in late april we'll look

1245
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:03,599
forward to uh

1246
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:06,640
the next chapter in this crazy story and

1247
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,240
it is going to center around the actual

1248
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,800
scientists that did the reports

1249
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:13,119
and i think that's kind of the missing

1250
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:14,240
thing here

1251
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,599
and it's going to kind of come full

1252
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:17,680
circle and help us to understand what's

1253
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:19,839
been going on

1254
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,640
but i think maybe what i want to do

1255
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,200
first just take a couple of weeks

1256
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,880
take a spring break because that has

1257
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:28,400
been overwhelming in

1258
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,520
uh so many different ways and

1259
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:33,599
uh you know i have a business and a life

1260
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,640
and a family and

1261
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:37,359
uh and this is a remarkable story but i

1262
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:38,960
need to probably take a little bit of a

1263
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:39,920
breather

1264
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,559
and then re-enter as you say later on

1265
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:43,680
probably in

1266
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,680
in april and um and dive back in

1267
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:50,079
good good and now one last question for

1268
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,599
you i mean we've talked about roswell

1269
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,520
and you're obviously a roswell believer

1270
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,960
based on the witnesses that you've

1271
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:55,599
talked to

1272
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,559
and uh uh plenty of other evidence

1273
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:00,640
including what happened in the aftermath

1274
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,559
uh as far as advancements in technology

1275
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:07,440
uh are there any other crash stories

1276
00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:08,640
that you particularly

1277
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:11,119
like that you think hey there's

1278
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,559
something here

1279
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,480
what a great question people always

1280
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:17,359
think tony is only into roswell

1281
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:21,359
uh there is there are two

1282
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:24,800
uh kecksburg pennsylvania uh

1283
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,760
in the late 60s there was a uh craft

1284
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,079
that had crashed in kecksburg

1285
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,720
there's a researcher a great researcher

1286
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,319
named stan gordon

1287
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:36,400
if anyone is interested look him up on

1288
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:37,359
the net

1289
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,119
and he's done some excellent work on

1290
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,640
that particular

1291
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,400
uh crash which was believed to have

1292
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:44,079
possibly been a russian

1293
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:47,200
satellite james oberg believed that but

1294
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,079
now even he

1295
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,040
doesn't uh so that is one of uh leslie

1296
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:52,319
keane did a little bit of work on that

1297
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:52,640
one

1298
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,920
to work on that as well and uh in fact

1299
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,599
some really interesting work on that so

1300
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:59,040
that's a whole other thing

1301
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,839
uh and then of course bent waters

1302
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:02,160
rendelsham

1303
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,079
rendursham forest 1980 december 1980

1304
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,119
is a another uh

1305
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:12,240
ufo event that i've been studying uh

1306
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:15,200
have not talked to anyone about much

1307
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:16,640
because uh

1308
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:19,680
it so happens that um well you'll be the

1309
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,960
first to hear it

1310
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:23,040
yeah john uh john burroughs has been on

1311
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:24,559
the security guards

1312
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:27,119
actually he was a security manager for

1313
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,400
bent waters

1314
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,720
lives in my town here in florida oh okay

1315
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,359
got it and uh i'm going to uh well in

1316
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:35,040
the age of kovid we can't make sight

1317
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,760
visits

1318
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,280
but i would very much like to meet with

1319
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:39,680
this gentleman uh who knows much and has

1320
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,280
said very little

1321
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,640
uh and so that is uh another uh uh ufo

1322
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,400
event that's of real interest to me so

1323
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,200
yeah kecksberg and rendelsham okay yeah

1324
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,640
these are really interesting

1325
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,800
john uh you should reach out to john you

1326
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,319
should reach out to john as well if

1327
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,520
you're interested

1328
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,599
you know john those are probably two uh

1329
00:50:03,670 --> 00:49:59,920
crashes you're interested in as well

1330
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,680
oh definitely yeah what a rental ship i

1331
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,800
like quite a bit

1332
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:07,520
uh when i started what i was really

1333
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:08,880
trying to do is kind of

1334
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:11,359
go where uh not a lot of people were

1335
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:12,160
going so

1336
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,280
i avoided a certain big even roswell and

1337
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:17,359
uh some other big cases just because

1338
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:18,880
there were plenty of people already on

1339
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,559
it and let me see if i could find

1340
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,359
something that

1341
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,920
wasn't being looked for but yeah just

1342
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:25,680
from knowing john and having him on the

1343
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,240
show

1344
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,480
uh multiple times if you haven't

1345
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:30,000
listened to those shows those would be a

1346
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,119
couple shows worth listening

1347
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,839
to well you know you're like me we work

1348
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,440
around the edges and sometimes that's

1349
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:36,880
how you find the truth

1350
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,319
yep you know but uh hey frank so much uh

1351
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,319
really appreciate all the time and the

1352
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,000
ability to uh

1353
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:46,720
uh to talk to your listeners and uh and

1354
00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:48,079
let's do this again

1355
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:50,000
yeah it was great absolutely i mean

1356
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,599
there's a lot of stuff that we didn't

1357
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:53,200
talk about you know we didn't talk about

1358
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,000
the socorro

1359
00:50:58,710 --> 00:50:56,960
case uh which uh uh always uh keeps up

1360
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:58,720
keeps coming back uh

1361
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,920
yup yup a fantastic story that you

1362
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,359
followed up on and uh

1363
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,960
i think you found the truth on the case

1364
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,720
a lot of people still disagree with that

1365
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,040
and uh plenty of other things and uh the

1366
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,880
the valet book coming up and uh

1367
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,559
who knows what else might happen there's

1368
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:14,640
always wild cards in this field so tony

1369
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:17,440
this was fantastic i think we covered uh

1370
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:18,000
really

1371
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,079
what anybody would uh would need to know

1372
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,680
about this in enough detail they've got

1373
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,200
a really good idea

1374
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,520
of what's happened up to this point and

1375
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:27,520
what to look for in the future

1376
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,630
and we will definitely visit again

1377
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:36,079
thanks a lot tony uh

1378
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,760
you were you were fantastic thank you so

1379
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:39,520
much and great weekend

1380
00:51:44,829 --> 00:51:42,720
you too uh bye bye everybody and uh you